Ever since I read Brian Greene’s elegant universe way back I can’t help but
be intrigued by the esotheric thought of extra dimensions.

I read your contribution in achtphasen und it looks like you spend a lot of
time thinking it through.

Now, you are saying that we might devastate large regions of space in those
other dimensions with our MBHs made by CERN. I’m wondering what could be
the potential consequences for our part of the universe here ? In the
braneworld scenario, dismissed by CERN, strings, which appear open ended to
us, may in reality by attached to branes of the other dimensions.

Even if it sounds speculative, could it be that the values of the seemingly
arbitrarily set constants of nature are being determined in the other
dimensions, like a scalar field?
What if we accidentally alter those constants or enter another period of
repulsive gravity? - scary thoughts !

————–

Thank you! You are the first one to react upon my ‘personal’ and quite ‘credibility-risking’ worries about our ‘culture’s schizophrenic arrogance having on one hand theories about extra-dimensions connected to parallel-universes but having on the other hand NO hesitations to eventually disturbing, shattering or even destroying those eventually existing parallel-universes by might-be ignorantically but absolut intentionally smashing exactly those eventually existing extra-dimensions together.

The ultrasmall in our universe would be the ultralarge in parallel-universes - but experimentators ‘audiences’ was told only mosquito-allegories, which even in our universe are only half of the truth but - considering the eventuality, that parallel-universe’s dimensions are intentionally crashed one into another could be named as ekpyrotic-gamble. How many mosquitoes might be living in parallel-universes?

Employees at CERN surely are absolute normal fulfillers/employees, i am sure and certain, they could be my friends, if i’d know one. But their elite and their ‘high-priests’ as Randall, Kaku and others, they must perfectly be aware of the fact, that they are gambling around not only with Earth beeing existant for future generations to come, but also with whole universes. (If their own theories are right.)

Sure it is very interesting to find out, if those seemingly crazy ideas of parallel-universes would eventually be true and if there really are parallel-universes …
but consequence of those theories, which haven’t been developped not until the nineties of last century (after the conceptualization of LHC) should have shown, that high-tech machinists( but nevertheless absolute archaical) ‘technique’ of smashing together must be the wrong way to find out what makes existence existent.

But on the contrary: All theorist of string- and multiversum-philosophies are enthousiastically waiting upon proves that their respective theories might be describing nature correct.

With just a little bit more wider-spread intelligence and responsability, cosmologists themselves would have shut down LHC as soon as possible and changed towards refining humanity’s ability of detecting collisionproducts which occure in natures own safe mode in aboundance by cosmic rays hitting on Earth and the Moon.

Not to modify ones equipment although whole populations of parallel-universes are at stake (and eventually Earth also) perfectly fits to worst european tradition of conquerring, devasting and slavering other ‘worlds’, which - before discovery and ‘christianization’- were much more in harmony with the surrounding nature, as after their detection.

Indeed, i am a fan of hight-technology! But i would like it to be used cautious and responsible and not as mass-products for people kept ignorant with high-tech tools loosing thus all connection to nature’s given reality and loosing compassion with those, that will live in later periods, and thus are unable to defend their interest on their own.

I would like our culture using high-technology to help Earth becoming a ‘paradise’, where no one have to starve of hunger - making the deserts flourish AND producing there big amounts of energy by covering Earth’s desert areas with checkerboard-like roofs with solar-panels on the upper-side and dew-collectors at the down-side.
So energy-production in aboundance and enflourishment of huge nearly infertile landscapes would go along.

Such technological investment in the poorest regions of the world would bring good ‘fruits’ - such investment would be a kind of compensation for european crimes against humanity and nature since the so called ‘era of discoveries’ … and further there would be huge acreages to place auger-like detectors. Same on the moon.

Observing how eventually existing parallel-universes are crashing together and what kind of particles are resulting of such crashes is indeed very interesting! But i can’t any longer resist to name intentionally making eventually existing parallel-universes crashing together as what it really is: it is a crime risking whole parallel-universes existance specially when done intentionally.

Intenionally making those eventually existing parallel-universes crash one into another 10′000′000′000′000′000′000′000′000′000 times denser than it happens in natures own safe way in Earth’s stratosphere and on the surface of the moon, isn’t but a foolish criminal gamble with those eventually existing parallel-universes and our own existence, too.

This is the stuff i am worried about! Black-Holes and Strangelets are dangerous, of course - but in my eyes, they are mainly a symbolon to explain people, WHY this kind of experimentation could bring their small private existences in small private danger …
… mankinds psyche is still the same since archaic times.

I can’t understand why multiversum-theorists aren’t opposing LHC but on the contrary enthousistically advancing this eventually universe-smashing fraudulence … thus by staying silent, they become guilty, and Earth the hostage of their haste to verify their curiosities.

Sorry for writing so loudly, about my most profound worry, these days, which in my eyes could be the treshold of mankinds evolution. There won’t be no future without compassion.

Marc Fasnacht

2010-04-19 | achtphasen | 11:56:31 | Email | 13 comments




 

Comment from: Dennis [Visitor]
Absolutes off-topic:

Es überrascht mich einwenig, dass sie die beiden Einträge von Rössler gelöscht haben und somit auch die Kritik und Kommentare.
Würde sowas nicht unter Zensur fallen, wenn man keinen Grund schreibt, warum man der Meinung war, sie müssten gelöscht werden?
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 09:05
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
Commentator above is kindly asked to
  1. at least to try following topic of blog-entries,
  2. at least to try using the language of respective blog-entry, and
  3. at least to try to give some more substantial contributions than only some pseudo-moralic lamentoes upon our use of clear words describing experimentors behave as what it in fact is: accepting the reduction of this planets chances to continually exist for future generations by only neglecting but not disproving our listed danger-scenarios is a fulfilled crime against life on Earth in all forms.




There's no right for moralin-spammers to permanently publish it's pseudo indignations upon words used by those, who explain some not so comfortable but never the less true aspects of these days experimental nuclear physics (which since it's beginnings was always intimatly connected with weapon-industry-researches):
Criminal action of accepting to diminish future's generations chances of existance is commited exactly now!




Further reading concerning the first word of blog-entry: http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Die_Stringtheorie:_Branen#Das_ekpyrotische_und_das_zyklische_Universum
(in german, so 'Dennis', too, should be able to follow up.

Rest of this blog-entry contains some ideas to help this world and mankind to evolve:
helping this planet becoming a better place for all creatures by helping humanity evolving from archaic slaughter-mentality towards more compassionate sharing of natures's gifts and more prudent, ---> precautionary, <--- use of nuclear-plant driven experimental technologies; as in the smallest parts of matter there is the most explosive danger.


PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 10:53
Comment from: Dennis [Visitor]
Great!
Now you are making censorship, manipulation and defamation.

What tells us that about you?

I was hoping that you are a real critic but now we all can see, that criticism about the critic is evil and have to be censored. :(

Thats a black day for achtphasen.


PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 12:22
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Hello Dennis,

I am sorry to disagree: There is no censorship and no manipulation, as the webmaster is the owner of his webpage and there is no obligation for him to publish or keep entries.

The only obligation is in case of a counter-representation, which here clearly is not the case.


Concerning a possible defamation: as you know the edge to free opinion is narrow and possibly in this case there is only a misunderstanding, as there is no direct reference from the wording "moralin-spammers" to you, i.e. this wording might be meant in a more general way.


Best regards, Ralf
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 12:57
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
please, 'Dennis', continue with your very intelligent comments and please bring all your very important censored statements in a line:
You have always been off-topic, as you obviously do not even try to understand what topic eventually could be ...

so please: make an effort and share all your might be very important and might be very moralic statements with this weblog's audience by making one big very moralic and thus very relevant ultimate comment-post here beneath.

as off-topic, as usual ...

and than try to stay as a creative among other creatives in your new and very fair harbour.

'Dennis': you are just a moron as your new partner in dialog 'kondensat' is another very intelligent one.
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 13:08
Comment from: Dennis [Visitor]
Es gibt keinen Grund, warum ich auf englisch antworten sollte.

@ralf kannenberg:
Ja natürlich hast du recht, wir sind in Fasnachts Wohnzimmer, aber er stellt sich als moralisch Unfehlbar dar. (Nein, dass haben sie nicht gesagt Herr Fasnacht, das habe ich interpretiert.) Für eine bessere und gerechtere Welt etc.
Wenn er "aufklären" will, wirkt es nun einmal sehr fragwürdig, wenn man ohne einen Kommentar Blogeinträge löscht.

@Fasnacht:
Sie haben die letzten zwei Blog Einträge auf ihrer Seite, ohne eine Bekanntmachung gelöscht und das weswegen?
Weil die Diskussion ihn zu schwer geworden ist?
Weil die Antwort von Rössler für sie äußerst unbefriedigend war, sie aber nicht sagen können, er würde falsch liegen?

Warum sie allerdings die ganze zeit, auf relativ kritisch verlinken ist, schon massiv seltsam.

Ich habe wiederholt gesagt, dass es mir um WIE in der Kritik geht und eben nicht rein um die Kritik selber. Ja ich vertraue aus verschiedenen Gründen Experten in einem Gebiet. Ich frage auch keinen Gärtner, der über Autos einwenig was weiß, wenn ich einen Automechaniker fragen kann.
Sowas tun sie auch nicht!

Warum argumentieren sie nicht absolut moralisch einwandfrei?
Mich einen moron, also Trottel zu nennen, führt genau wohin?




PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 14:20
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
'Dennis', i called you a moron, (and i still do so) because you are permanently critizising me (and others) about not beeing 100% perfectly balancing our words.

But you never have been critizising, those, who in fact are endangering this planets future existance and hiding the truth of the danger(s) they themself are perfectly aware of.
Be aware: i am not saying normal physicists at LHC would be aware of any danger!
But i am saying, that those, that are responible for LSAG-desinformation must be perfectly aware of their lies, and thus must be perfectly aware of reducing our Earth's chance to further exist for the billions of generations of all kind of life to come in the future.

Further NO word of yours was to read, critizising those, who are intentionally and permanently stultifying my personality - you agree with the watch-loggers by having chosen this totalitarian technoid stultificators-forum as your new place to express your sanctimonies.

This is why i intentionally linked onto your new harbour and your new dialog-partner 'kondensat', yet another anonymously, proven fearful, trash-only-writing moron, who, as you, never contributed any relevant aspects in 'discussions'. And who, as you, amuses himself by intentionally wrong-writing my and my compagnons names.

I apologize for having to call you a moron, but you are intentionally behaving as a moron.

Your statements are pseudo-moralic as you are critizising the few ones that are warning and proving experimentators statements of risklesslyness wrong;
and thus you solidarize yourself with those that are intentionally reducing Earth's chance of beeing existent for future generations.

Might be your grandchildren's children would have liked you not to have critizised that one-sided, only.

I never called any anonymous forum-user a moron, before.
But you are one: you are a hypocritic moron.

Sorry about this.


I do not like you to have introduced this absolute non-topic, non-relevant and non-interesting pseudo-discussion beneath my sincerly biggest worries about ongoing criminal earth-endangering experimentationing at LHC.

This sentence here is definitivly the last one of mine adressed towards You: 'Dennis', i am specially angry about your hypocrisy!



PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 15:46
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Hallo Dennis,

ich habe Dir auf AC eine PN geschrieben.

Freundliche Grüsse, Ralf
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 16:14
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
Dear Ralf Kannenberg, as you inform my audience (and myself) about your writing 'Dennis' a private-note in watch-loggers forum, you could eventually be intersted to explain why you do inform here about writing private notes elsewhere and eventually you could be interested to undisclose privateness of your private note.

Sorry, but i do not see the reason, why you inform here about writing private notes elsewhere.

best regards, Marc Fasnacht

by the way: thank you for explaining @ 'Dennis' the differences between censorship and web-site-management.
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 16:26
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Hello Mr.Fasnacht,

I totally agree: you can remove this contribution of mine; I was not aware that Dennis is currently also writing on AC.

This also applies for the mail referring requests of Mr.Pretzell, who wanted a public confirmation of me that the mail-address with a "6" in the name (from "61", when I was born) really is from me and this also applies to my public response to Mr.Pretzell.

Best regards, Ralf Kannenberg
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-23 | 09:25
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
Hello Mr. Kannenberg!

i absolutly can't understand why you inform Dennis of sending him a private note in your permanently stultificating hardcore ad hominem bashing home-forum, and i absolutly can't believe in your answer, you wouldn't have been aware, that only onesided-ultra-moralic 'Dennis' is currently also writing on AC, as you, Ralf Kannenberg already wrote him the following :
Verfasst am: 12.04.2010, 11:03 Titel:
Dennis hat Folgendes geschrieben:
da mir schlicht das Wissen fehlt ernsthaft über den LHC oder gar CERN mir ein Urteil bilden zu können.


Hallo Dennis,

es war mir völlig klar, dass Du genau deswegen auf Achtphasen "angesprochen" werden würdest. Dass die Mehrzahl der selbsternannten Kritiker noch weniger Wissen aufweisen als Du scheint diese indes nicht weiter zu stören.

Wenn Du möchtest können wir hier einen kleinen "Crash-Kurs" anbieten, der es Dir ermöglicht, im Rahmen der Dir zur Verfügung stehenden Zeit das Wissen aufzubauen.


Freundliche Grüsse, Ralf


EDIT 12:16 Uhr: missverständliches, weil gewaltverherrlichendes Wort durch "angesprochen" ersetzt

http://www.relativ-kritisch.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42135#42135


And so, i can't help to consider your saying above as just another nebula of yours.

By the way, you could inform 'Dennis' in a second 'private note' about the fact, that he received an answer from Professor Rossler here: http://www.achtphasen.net/index.php/plasmaether/2010/04/19/prof_otto_e_rossler_cern_gesteht_verschw#c2915

@ 'Dennis': please feel free to adress all your insultations (and mainly your relevant questions) towards Prof. Rossler, who explicitly answered your first question, which you posted before starting to shout that much around. But please try to use adequate words and therefore to be at last half as moralic yourself, as you want me to be.
Cheers!




PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-23 | 09:39
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
"Verfasst am: 12.04.2010, 11:03 Titel"

Hello Mr.Fasnacht,

this is correct, but yesterday was April 22nd, which is 10 days later.

Still I am surprised that you complain about distributing such information in my case but do not complain in the same issue done by Mr.Pretzell.


Ralf Kannenberg
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-23 | 12:27
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
Still I am surprised that you complain about distributing such information in my case but do not complain in the same issue done by Mr.Pretzell.

It is not so difficult to understand the difference between my appreciation of Yours and Mr. Pretzell: Mr. Pretzell never tried to make all my engagement ridiculous.
-
But You, Mr. Kannenberg, did exactly the opposite: mainly in your AC-Forum, but also in some science-blogs and here too, as my guest, you permanently try to make all worries about ongoing experimentationing ridiculous.
Therefore you neglect all factuals by intentionally focussing the non-relevant.

But to be fair, i will, if you insist, adress some publically visible lines towards Mr. Pretzell also.
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-23 | 15:21

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