please, download and safe this file: http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/988599/files/cer-002651125.pdf to your hard-disk as as a proof for Search for one large extra dimension with the DELPHI detector at LEP2

Herr Fasnacht,

Ihre Aussage ist aus dem downzuloadenden Dokument nicht nachvollziehbar:

Auf Seite 1 steht: "and as a consequence eq. 1 for n=1 implies a modification of Newton's law over solar system distances which is not observed. So the possibility that n=1 is usually considered to be falsified."

Man hat dann unabhängig nochmals Daten ausgewertet und kommt, wie man in der Conclusion nachlesen kann, zu folgendem Ergebnis:

"Since the measured single-photon cross-sections are in agreement with the expectations (...) the absence of an excess of events has been used to set a preliminary limit of 1.69 TeV at 95% CL on the fundamental mass scale for n=1 ED."


Ich bitte ich um Berichtigung, falls ich etwas übersehen habe.


Ralf Kannenberg

as there is written:

"possibility that n=1 is usually considered to be falsified"

than you will agree that there is not written:

"possibility that n=1 would be proven to be falsified"



The proven fact is, that mainstream-physicist were publishing still in 2006 onto possible existance of a 5th non warped (or just slightly solar-system-wide-warped) Extra-Dimension.

Further, as you know, I another paper published by CERN onto the same questioning, if there would be any 5th non warped (or just slightly solar-system-wide-warped) Extra-Dimension which is to be found also at arXiv:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0710.0924


both papers are discussing a 5th non warped or just slightly warped extra-dimension
D5 (just ONE non warped or just slightly warped extra-dimension)

D5 would lead to a niliation time for Earth of only 27 years !!!

as Bleicher,Stöcker,Koch have calculated in version 1 of their paper
in version 2 this result was omitted
and G&M/LSAG ARE saying there couldn't be any non or just slightly warped extra-dimension

So CERNs saying to be sure there wouldn't be any 5th-Dimension IS proven a saying without any certainty. Thi is proven due to CERNs own research if there would be any 5th non warped or just slightly warped extra-dimension
D5 !

http://www.achtphasen.net/index.php/2010/03/10/o_e_rossler_deutschland_in_der_nacht#c2519

"possibility that n=1 is usually considered to be falsified"

Herr Fasnacht,

das steht ja schliesslich auch zu Beginn dieser Publikation und in der Publikation wird dann ein weiteres Argument hergeleitet, der einen solchen Beweis erhärtet. Wer das nicht im Detail nachlesen und nachrechnen möchte kann das auch ohne Fachkenntnisse ziemlich einfach der Conclusion entnehmen.

Das klappt aber nur, wenn man diese Conclusion erstens liest und dann zweitens beim Argumentieren auch richtig zitiert, anstatt eine anfänglich getätigte und dann in der Publikation überprüfte Vermutung als Ergebnis verkaufen zu wollen.


Ralf Kannenberg

proven fact is, that mainstream-physicist were publishing and thus also wondering at least until 2006 onto possible existance of a 5th non warped (or just slightly solar-system-wide-warped) Extra-Dimension.

Only since publicationing safety-evaluations onto hypothethically not-radiating and thus stable micro-black-holes in summer 2008 as a reaction on Rossler, there is a saying one could be sure, that there wouldn't be any 5th for humans until now not-detecteble dimension (non- or just solarsystem-wide-warped).

As you agreed there are reasonably main-stream-physics assumptions of such a fifth nonwarped dimension as the reason/source of so called 'Dark-Energy' and as any-body is agreeing, there are hypotheses that there would be warped-extra-dimension in the micro-cosmos ... and you try to insist her, that this possibility of a non- or just slightly warped-extra-dimension would be excludebale in our 'normal' 4D-world, only because planets are fpllowing Kepler's laws???

Just because humans are not able to realize it, it could still be there - and if a 5th dimension would be there, Kepler would have watched the planets moving as he did and he would have found the same mathematical equations !

the planets are not following Netons laws, but Newtons laws are a description how planets move. this description woul explain the movements of celestial body as adequate as they do, if there is a non-detectable 5th-dimension or not.

How comes, that you are so consequently sure, that contemporarial scientists would know about every-thing ?

Until summer 2008 this exclusion of any non-warped extradimension was not at all as clear as you are trying to promote here - papers i linked to are a proof for this researches and questionings.

please excuse my english, but please, answer in english too - this blog-entry is of interest for non-german speaking audience also.

"and you try to insist her, that this possibility of a non- or just slightly warped-extra-dimension would be excludebale in our 'normal' 4D-world, only because planets are fpllowing Kepler's laws???"

Yes, Mr.Fasnacht, I do insist here:

The orbits of the solar system bodies are a first class falsification. If you want to have a theory covering both your dimensional wishes and the orbits of the bodies of our solar system, you need to elaborate at least one extra term in the equations which somehow compensates the results of the further dimension. Otherwise your theory is inconsistent to the observational data.


Ralf Kannenberg

You may insist as much as you like, dear Ralf Kannenberg

It is not me, the one who published theories of a 5th-dimension - there are many paper on this topic. mainstream-physics-papers. i listed two papers dicussing such possibility of solar-aystem-wide 5th dimension in our solar-system - i choosed both, as they have been published also at CERN

I do not say there mus be a 5th-dimension, but i insist on my statement, that mainstream-physicists also are publishing of such a possibility.

sure Kepler's laws are very good, but they are not 100% precise, so there are some speculations onto possible influx' of parrallel-universes, of 'Dark-Matter' or of a non-detected 5th dimension.

All i said, is, that CERN in his accretion-rate-calculations cheats their readers by saying it would be proven, that there couldn't be any 5th non-detected dimension in our solar-system.

"sure Kepler's laws are very good, but they are not 100% precise"

Mr. Fasnacht,

I am not talking about 100% preciseness: The 3.Keplerian theorem - normalised to earth' data, i.e. distance earth-sun and defining 1 year as the orbit time of earth, is:

orbit_time_planet = square root ( (distance planet-sun)^3 ).

As a first approximation this results for jupiter, roughly 5 times farther away from sun than earth, an orbit time of 11 years and for saturn, roughly 10 times farther away from sun than earth, an orbit time of 33 years.


In case of a further spatial dimension the 3.Keplerian theorem has to be modified to:

orbit_time_planet = square(distance planet-sun).

Planet jupiter then had a orbit time of 25 years and saturn of 100 years, which both is not observed.


Now you can reconsider this statement of yours and try yourself to make an assessment about its quality:

"All i said, is, that CERN in his accretion-rate-calculations cheats their readers by saying it would be proven, that there couldn't be any 5th non-detected dimension in our solar-system."


Ralf Kannenberg

I am writing about that CERN itself published papers onto open question IF there would be any 5th dimension.




All your argumentation here is again just misleading!

"an orbit time of 33 years"

Corrigenda: The square root of 1000 is between 31 and 32, not between 32 and 33.

Sorry for inconvenience.

Best regards, Ralf Kannenberg

"All your argumentation here is again just misleading!"

Why ? I have just explained the scenario cited by you where earth is accreted in 27 years, which is not in agreement with planetary and satellite orbits in our solar system.

Ralf Kannenberg

by your leave,

within 27 years the whole earth will have been mutated in walheimer cheese anyway, which unlike the swiss cheese isn't accreditable by any black holes, therefore this discussion is completely irrelevant.

yours truly
crh uit walheim

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