In the following I try to present from my point of view what are the main problems to stop further operation of the LHC and possible strategies to complete this task which in our (the critics) opinion is important for safety of earth and its population. I am engaged since 3 to 4 years in this case discussing with experts and critics, helping to file law suits, publishing and defending my results against the comparison with cosmic rays. Search the web for more information.

Our aim:

Immediate stop of the current experiments and careful public revision of the LHC project (and collider physics of this kind) including CERN scientists, crititics and independant professionals.

Possible ways to reach this aim:
  1. discussions with colleagues about possible weaknesses
  2. law suits
  3. scientific publications
  4. informing the public via internet, newspapers, TV
  5. informing authorities like governments or political organisations, ask for their responsibility and intervention


Major problems and why the aim has not already been achieved point by – point and as far as I can see:
  1. I put the item about discussion with the experts to the top because I think it would be the best way the particle physicist themselves would correct this situation. This is why I have been three times at Geneva and sent hundreds of mails to my colleagues. They are willing to give information and to discuss the topic up to a certain level but are not ready to really question the experiment as such. Typical comments I received from particle physicist in Germany and worldwide: You are right: Safety might be a problem but stopping the experiment would be a major drawback / Up to now nothing went wrong, we should not worry / I am not involved in this project / Go to the responsible persons and ask there (LSAG group) / Yes you are right: This (an argument I mentioned) is in principle right but I do not think it is a safety problem / Bizarre concerns of the type you mention I heared already two decades ago / It is impossible to entirely exclude a remaining risk, some risk has to be accepted There is absolutely no commitment to question the experiment in reality, it seems to me my colleagues are assuming they would betray the others following a kind of group thinking. As everybody knows it is an old and important culture to exchange arguments, publish them for discussion and correct the own opinion in the case of refutation.

  2. Law suits have been filed in the United States, in Strasbourg (EU), in Geneva (UN), in Germany (Bundesverfassungsgericht). One might think this immense pressure from the outside should be sufficient for the people at CERN or for the jurisdiction to deeply reconsider the LHC case. For CERN this is not the case. Concerning the judges they seem to rely fully on the assessment of the LSAG group. Because the case has never happened before and the matter is very complex [1] they seem to be overstrained as well. In this respect this (little not much more than ten pages) – LSAG report [2][3] is the bottleneck. It is extremely difficult to be successful in this respect due to the special isolated role of Switzerland in the world and additionally because of the extraterritorial position of CERN. Nobody from the outside feels responsible which perfectly agrees with the fact that CERN itself did the assessment by and for itself.

  3. Concerning publications there are the safety papers presented by CERN on their web pages and related material and on the other hand the publications questioning the experiment. The latter I think one can divide into two groups: Publications from the critics, e.g. [4][5][6], and publications from other academics not meant to assess LHC but providing direct proof the experiment is highly questionable , e.g. [7][8], relying for safety on a theory by S. Hawking which has never been observed [9]. All in all this massive material also should be sufficient to realize our aim a summary – by some critics can be found here [10]. Major issues which have been not rejected clearly up to now are as you know: Possible micro black hole production at TeV- gravity, strangelets, the questionable comparison with cosmic rays, weaknesses of the assessment itself or dangers by nuclear fusion processes. The material presented by CERN is not detailed enough: As an example I point to the publications discussing the central argument of CERN, the comparison with cosmic rays by de Rujula/Dar/Heinz 1999 [11] and Hut/Rees 1984 [12]. The latter is a one page sketch, the de Rujula et al. paper is by far not enough to guarantuee the safety of the LHC project discussing only the special case for strangelets and containing other omissions like detailed analysis of particle production or detailed probabilities for reasonable reaction environments. The ongoing process shows that scenarios which have been declared to be impossible once are now widely academically discussed e.g. micro black holes [7][8]. Others have been already discussed and are not clarified up to now exactly due to uncertainties in shower experiments e.g. Lorentz invariance violation and other common physics at very high energies [13][14]. New physics is awaited and wished like SUSY particles or the Higgs boson. Some argumentation has been verified to a certain extent only recently e.g. the GZK cutoff by AUGER in the year 2009 [15] after the LSAG report had been written 2008 [3]. All this shows that research which is still debated is not adequate to guarantuee the safety of the experiment - this is a clear cut case as far as I see. Only very well explored physics (maybe even only high precision experiments), clear numerical results including error analysis should be taken for the assessment of experiments not found in nature and especially for this extreme research at the edge of present knowledge. This does not make any new experiments impossible but forces us to be more careful and to act with more foresight.

  4. Information of the public is problematic in my opinion for two main reasons. First most people do not have the faintest clue what is going on at CERN and in its tubes. This often results this is the second problem - for our context (criticizing the – experiment) in useless, often very aggressive disaster reports which might be indeed suitable to raise useless fear and even panic. There are very few comments from people which try to reason a balanced analysis at the problem. The comments in blogs and newsgroups also show in my opinion the public is overstrained with this problem. I remind you I value the influence and actions of the experts themselves as most useful. They operate the engine and are in principle competent. Here I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the public information policy of CERN is in principle very good: There are document servers, email addresses and information about CERN members, there is the “Ask an Expert” site, there are schedules available, live web cams and the online status of various parameters of the engine. But all this is useless if a considerable part of the public including scientists criticizing the experiment are fully excluded and ignored.

  5. Concerning this strategy - turning to authorities - the LSAG report [3] is again the bottleneck. First it seems logical to appeal to authorities and tell them about the obvious leaks of the assessment procedure and possible dangers. Why this does not work? First the government or organisations like the UN are not forced to give information to citizens or to justify their decisions. If they are generous they will point to the LSAG report and that’s it. I myself went four times to the police in Hanover, at Bern and in Geneva to express my doubts and fears. In Germany the case was sent to the higher level and silenced there, in Switzerland the police wanted me to initiate academical discussions or to go to the court. Also NGO’s like environmental organisations have been amazingly resisistent if asked for their engagement or efforts. The answer here as far as I remember was that they did not feel capable to judge this case or did not see urgent need to intervene.



The status quo:

No public revision has been achieved - some law suits have been rejected, some are still pending - the LHC is running at 7 TeV center of mass energy like scheduled by CERN since March 30th collisions have taken place Concluding which possible strategies do remain from my point of view?

I try to sum up first four central issues from which the discussed difficulties result as far as I can see. Then I will try to give provisions to attack these key issues to reach our aim.
  1. The overstrained public, authorities and judges and the diffusion of responsibility (only the very small group of LSAG is accesible, the authorities rely fully on a document not really counterchecked by them or others) is to me seems understandable as a systemic mistake, an error specific for our epoch of ever increasing knowledge understood by few with small islands of informed people often not willing to question their actions effectively. Even at CERN hardly a single person is imaginable who is able to have a comprehensive overview of the project LHC. Additionally the problem of the possibly large, even global impact of the discussed effects is not solved up to now and seems to be not understood by the society see the next item.

  2. Second the assessment made by CERN for CERN is a hard problem. The scientists are (and have to be!) involved in the project and are obviously interested in its realization and its proper funding. No international institutions do exist so far for an assessment of this kind. Taking a closer look the reports assessing the safety of the most complicated engine on earth up to now involving extremely high energies are lacking detailed information as pointed out (publications by Dar et al. and Rees et al. as example [11][12]). I guess altogether they do not have more pages than a manual for an advanced mobile phone. More sophisticated assessment of the technology impact or even of the possible impact of new theories is totally excluded but nevertheless necessary.

  3. There are additionally hard facts: In my opinion it is even not necessary to explicate concrete dangers in this context of possibly unknown high energy physics. The possible effects even at the nuclear level (ca. millionfold lower energy) and what was realized by man in this context are well known. For those who nevertheless claim this e.g. Deutsches Bundesverfassungsgericht [16] - there – have been proposed various possible scenarios of extremely high, even earth destroying dangers by academics which in detail have never been fully refuted. The often heard argument of energy conservation (mosquito energy) does not hold in worst cases: Critical as well as katalytic processes are nearly omnipresent in nature. Additionally the preparation LHC in this configuration can not be found in nature (like for example a fixed target setup) only after transformation and – exclusion of other effects (particle density, reaction environment, other moments of secondaries) a comparison would be allowed in a strict and in this case mandatory sense [17].

  4. Fourth the remaining risk is a central issue. Here two points are worth to be inspected in more detail: The risk which is acceptable in this context seems to differ widely in the academic world as well as in the public. While there are some who want to exclude any risk at all for others risk in the range of percents seem to be adequate.

    This phenomenon is well known from extreme sports and in the context of other pioneering science (classical often risky discoveries). The difference in the LHC case is nevertheless all people on earth are involved in a worst case while C. Columbus or B. Franklin have risked their own lifes or at the utmost the lifes of their crew. I guess C. Columbus would have been astonished and angry if he would have been forced to take his wife and son on board of the Santa Maria.

    The comparison with car accidents explained to induce much higher danger often presented in this context is not adequate: A car accident with deads is a cruel but nevertheless sorely a well known and locally confined event. The possible destruction of earth obviously has to be treated totally different.

    Even in the case of an accepted remaining risk it is necessary to quantify this risk or give limits for worst cases this is the second point. Error analysis should be – included as well, the experiments which give the respective evidence should be analyzed as well [18].

I therefore propose to concentrate on the following pathes:
  1. To shed light to the problem of the systemic mistake, an error specific for our epoch resulting in uninformed authorities and public and a possible global impact in a worst case information should be provided which is easily understandable. It should concentrate on the most important facts of the experiment and explicate the discussed dangers and missing clarification very briefly and light. It is important to reach as many as possible and involve experts as well.
  2. Concerning the second point of unsufficient assessment made by CERN for CERN as far as I can see the missing exactness, the omissions of the assessment procedure itself and the neglected impact assessment has to be analyzed in detail, point by point. Advantageous would be like before an understandable approach which makes participation and comprehension by the public possible. Here as well it is important to reach as many as possible. If the scientists at CERN and colleagues in particle physics would be ready to cooperate here it would help a lot.
  3. With regard to the discussed hard facts - dangers and the questionable comparison with cosmic rays - point by point analysis of the weaknesses is necessary as well desirably in a short and clear manner.
  4. The problem of the remaining risk can be solved in the following way as far as I can see:
    • - It has to be evaluated which risk is acceptable for the population on earth

    • -The particle physicists have to provide detailed data for the height of the risk or at least upper bounds. Error analysis and reliabilty of the respective experiments should be included as well.


I want to thank Marc Fasnacht, Markus Goritschnig, Michael Pabst and Eric Penrose for their immense help! Let’s continue masters!!! The most important argument here cited at – the end - is the simple one by Rudolf Uebbing decomposing CERN’s reports drastically in my opinion.

References

[1] Johnson E. E. ‘The Injunction Against the End of the World’ 2009 http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.5480
[2] Blaizot J.-P., Iliopoulos J., Madsen J., Ross G.G., Sonderegger P., and Specht H.-J.,
(2003) ‘Study Of Potentially Dangerous Events During Heavy-Ion Collisions At The LHC: Report Of The LHC Safety Study Group,’ CERN
[3] Ellis J., Giudice G., Mangano M., Tkachev I., Wiedemann U., Large Hadron Collider Safety Assessment Group (LSAG) ‘Review of the Safety of LHC Collisions’, CERN. 2008 http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.3414
[4] Rössler O. E., PhD ‘Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk’ 2008 http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf
[5] Kent A. ‘Problems with empirical bounds for safety at the RHIC Collider’ 2000 http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0009130
[6] Plaga R., (Aug 2009) “On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders.” http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.1415v3
[7] Suranyi P., Wijewardhana L.C.R. ‘Black Holes in Brane Worlds’ 2002 http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0207084
[8] http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/01/22-01.html?etoc
[9] Hawking S. W. ‘Black hole explosions?` Nature 248 30-31 1974
[10] www.achtphasen.net/miniblackhole/Bundesrat-Bundesgericht/LHC-Appeal-v2- internetversion.pdf
[11] Dar A., Rujula A. D., Heinz U. ‘Will relativistic heavy-ion colliders destroy our planet?’ Physics Letters B Vol 470, Issues 1-4, pp.142-148 1999 http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/9910471
[12] Hut P., Rees J. ‘How stable is our vacuum?’ Letters to Nature 508 302-303 1983
[13] Bietenholz W. ‘Cosmic Rays and the Search for a Lorentz Invariance Violation’ 2008 arXiv: 0806.3713.v2 [hep-ph]
[14] Pierog T., Engel R. , Heck D. ‘Impact of Uncertainties in Hadron Production on Air-Shower Predictions’ 2006 arXiv:astro-ph/0602190v1
[15] Pierre Auger collaboration http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.2319; Pierre Auger collaboration 2009 http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.2189
[16] Deutsches Bundesverfassungsgericht, case 2 BvR 2502/06
[17] Pretzell A. ‘Key arguments against the cosmic ray comparison’ http://www.achtphasen.net/index.php/2010/02/13/p1497
[18] Uebbing R.: Unzureichende Sicherheitsanalysen zum LHC-Experiment beim CERN 2010 http://www.achtphasen.net/index.php/2010/03/24/p1598

2010-04-13 | achtphasen | 10:36:39 | Email | 18 comments




 

Comment from: Alf Pretzell [Visitor]
I am totally proud of myself in this case - I think this should be sufficient for us to wake up!

Comments?!

Best wishes to all Alf Pretzell
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-13 | 19:31
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Hallo Alf,



ich habe versucht, Dir per mail mitzuteilen, dass ich Dir auf einen Beitrag, den ich leider erst heute gesehen habe, geantwortet habe: http://www.achtphasen.net/index.php/boesegutlieb/2010/03/31/yesterday_we_failed_complaining_against_#c2791




Freundliche Grüsse, Ralf
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-13 | 20:41
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
Alf, what is your reason to be proud, as long as CERN is happily ramping up luminosities ???

Criminal action of endangering future's generations existance is commited exactly now!

In my eyes, there's not so much reason to be proud,
even though your writing is a true listing of evidences.

Marc
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-14 | 09:13
Comment from: Rudolf Uebbing [Visitor]
Im vorliegenden Fall ist - wie ich meine - Diplom-Biophysiker Herr Pretzell zu Recht voll zuversichtlich, diejenigen Argumentationen zutreffend formuliert zu haben, welche die nötigen Erkenntnisse auslösen werden, um auch verantwortliche Persönlichkeiten aufzurütteln. R.U.
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-14 | 10:19
Comment from: Alf Pretzell [Visitor]
... ich hoffe zu Recht Herr Uebbing, habe jedoch große Zweifel - Grund:

Es ist keine Bewegung drin und auch kein Wille zur Auseinandersetzung. Und vielleicht auch keine Sachkenntnis, denn es ist natürlich grotesk, dass ich - als vollkommen Fachfremder wie auch Otto Rössler - dies hier vorlegen muss. So geht es nimmer! Ich habe an vielen Türen in Genf geklopft und Herr Dr. Ellis, der Zuvorkommendste, hat mir im Gegensatz zu vielen anderen anderthalb Stunden zugehört (dies ist viel denke ich). Was nützt dies wenn, wie ich nun mehrfach geäußert habe, die Bereitschaft fehlt, grundsätzlich das Experiment aufgrund der fehlenden Details im LSAG-Bericht und in den Subdokumenten anzuzweifeln? Wenig - hoffentlich nicht nichts! Für alles weitere siehe oben...



Alf Pretzell
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-15 | 17:39
Comment from: Rudolf Uebbing [Visitor]
Zuverlässigkeit gängiger Theorien in der Astronomie

Siehe dazu Neue Zürcher Zeitung v. 14. April 2010, S. 18, “Planeten auf Gegenkurs” - “Eine Entdeckung aus Genf”

“Bisher glaubten Astronomen, dass alle Planeten ihre Sonne in der Richtung umrunden, in der sich diese um ihre eigene Achse dreht. …

Die Forscher um Dider Queloz vom Observatorium der Universität Genf untersuchten insgesamt 27 Expoplaneten. … 6 davon umliefen ihren Stern “verkehrt herum”.

“Auf dem Gebiet der extrasolaren Planeten werden unsere Ergebnisse wie eine Bombe einschlagen”, sagt Amaury Triaud vom Observatorium Genf. … Sie stehen nämlich im Widerspruch zu bisherigen Annahmen und bringen gängige Theorien in der Astronomie durcheinander.

Anmerkung: Vielleicht ist diese neue Beobachtung Anlaß dazu, die sog. Dunkle Materie, deren Menge die gewohnte Materie um das V i e l f a c h e übertrifft, besonders ernst zu nehmen - wie auch das Phänomen der “missing stars” (79 dokumentierte Einzelfälle) durchaus ernst genommen werden sollte.

(hier als Ergänzung zur Quellenangabe (18) im obigen Artikeltext von Herrn Pretzell, unten - in dem Aufsatz (18) beschreibe ich einige doch bedenklich stimmende ungeklärte astronomische Beobachtungen, die hiermit ergänzt werden. Hervorhebungen im Zitat von mir.)
R.U.
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-16 | 01:30
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Sehr geehrter Herr Uebbing,

da werden bestenfalls Theorien über die Planetenentstehung ergänzt werden müssen. Wissen Sie eigentlich, dass das grösste (und massereichste) Objekt in unserem Sonnensystem, welches seinen Zentralkörper "verkehrt herum" umkreist, nämlich der Neptunmond Triton, grösser (und massereicher) als die beiden grössten (und massreichsten) Zwergplaneten Pluto und Eris ist ?

Mit Dunkler Materie hat das übrigens nichts zu tun, da diese nur auf viel grösseren Skalen einen messbaren Einfluss hat.

Im Übrigen bin ich überrascht, dass Sie die neuesten Erkenntnisse über den Saturnmond Mimas noch nicht in Ihre Argumentationsführung aufgenommen haben.


Freundliche Grüsse, Ralf Kannenberg
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-16 | 10:17
Comment from: Alf Pretzell [Visitor]
Sehr geehrte Diskutanden,

selbstverständlich freue ich mich über jeden Kommentar - dennoch bitte ich, die aktuelle Situation am CERN im Auge zu behalten. Und den Blick nicht zu sehr auf Mimas und seine Freunde zu richten!

Mit freundlichem Gruß Alf Pretzell
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-16 | 10:48
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
Mit Dunkler Materie hat das übrigens nichts zu tun, da diese nur auf viel grösseren Skalen einen messbaren Einfluss hat.

Weil 'Dunkle Materie' nur auf viel grösseren Skalen einen messbaren Einfluss hat, haben Dres. Giddings und Mangano deren potentielle Akkretierbarkeit durch rösslertheorem-entsprechend nichtzerstrahlende und ungeladene 'hypothetical stable TeV-scale(d) black holes' auch mit keinem Wort in ihrem,
Milliarden Jahre als berechenbar darstellendem,
Akkretionsfristen-Berechnungs-Opus erwähnt,
nicht wahr?

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0806/0806.3381v2.pdf
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-16 | 11:11
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
"nicht wahr?"

Ja Herr Fasnacht,

tatsächlich vermute ich, dass genau das der Grund dafür ist. Dabei ist noch zu ergänzen, dass selbst die grössten Schwarzen Löcher, also solche im Zentrum vom Galaxien, viel kleiner sind als die Skalen, in denen Phänomene der Dunklen Materie nachweisbar sind.


Ralf Kannenberg
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-16 | 12:17
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
Dass gravitative Effekte 'Dunkle Materie' nur auf grossen Skalen (Galaxiengrösse) nachweisbar sind, besagt aber keineswegs, dass 'Dunkle Materie' nicht durch 'hypothetical stable TeV-scale(d) black holes' akkretierbar wäre.

Die Auslassung der Akkretierbarkeit 'Dunkler Materie' in Sicherheit suggerierende Berechnungen (87 Seiten!) einzubeziehen, mag wissenschaftlich ja in Ordnung sein,
weil es sich dann nur um die Evaluation einer hypothetischen Möglichkeit handelt.


Wenn dann aber diese wissenschaftliche Arbeit in der LSAG-Berichterstattung zu Handen sicherheitsbeauftragter Regierungen, Parlamente, Gerichte und der Presse als Beleg der Ungefährlichkeit irdischer Massenproduktion von Mikro-Schwarz-Löchern angeführt wird, dann ist die Auslassung die Akkretierbarkeit 'Dunkler Materie' in Milliarden Jahre überschlagende Berechnungen einzubeziehen, als intendiertes Vorgaukeln einer Gewissheit zu werten, wo keine Gewissheit sein kann.

LSAG hat nebst dem Paper G&M keine weiteren Belege zur Harmlosigkeit irdischer Schwarz-Loch-Produktion am LHC beigebracht.

Das Paper G&M behandelt über 87 Seiten den Spezialfall rösslertheorem entsprechender, ungeladener und stabiler Mikro-Schwarz-Löcher.
Nota bene ohne Herrn Rössler oder sein gotisch-R-Theorem und auch nur zu erwähnen.

Zitat Rössler: [The following two papers had been sent to him and CERN in time:
1) O.E. Rossler, “Abraham-solution to Schwarzschild metric implies that CERN mini black holes pose a planetary risk” (September 2007), appeared in print July 2008 in: Vernetzte Wissenschaften ? Crosslinks in Natural and Social Sciences (P.J. Plath and E.C. Hass, eds.), Berlin: Logos Verlag 2009, p. 263-270. ISBN 978-3-8325-1947-7 ; online: http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/ottoroesslerminiblackhole.pdf
2) O.E. Rossler, “A rational and moral and spiritual dilemma” (May 2008), appeared in print July 2008 in: Personal and Spiritual Development in the World of Cultural Diversity (G.E. Lasker and K. Hiwaki, eds.), Vol. 5. Tecumseh, Ontario, Canada: The International Institute for Advanced Studies in Systems Research and Cybernetics (IIAS) 2008; p. 61-66. ISBN 978-1-897233-11-5 ; online: http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf
The first paper contains (very briefly) the gothic-R theorem and the nonlinear-growth result based on chaos theory; the second, sent to CERN in May 2008, contains the conjectured quantum result for neutron stars. ] http://www.achtphasen.net/index.php/2010/04/11/p1634


Die Akkretionsfristenberechnungen der Dres. Giddings und Mangano sind aber nicht nur wegen der Auslassung die Akkretierbarkeit 'Dunkler Materie' in die Berechnungen einzubeziehen als sicherheitsbetreffs ungenügend zu werten:

Es wurde in den Berechnungen von G&M nicht erörtert, wie sich die
  • Akkretierbarkeit von Teilchen/Antiteilchen aus Vakuumfluktuationen auf die Massenzunahme hypothetischerweise ungeladener und stabilverbleibender TeV-kleiner Mikro-Schwarz-Löcher auswirken könnte.
  • Akkretierbarkeit von elektromagnetischen (und gegebenfalls auch anderen) Feld-Energien durch hypothetischerweise ungeladene und stabilverbleibende TeV-kleiner Mikro-Schwarz-Löcher wurde von Dres. Giddings und Mangano ebenfalls nicht erörtert.
  • Weiter wurde die räumliche Ausdehnung von Elektronen schlicht als jedenfalls 0-dimensional punktartig klein angenommen - diese Akkretionsmöglichkeiten reduzierende Annahme ist aber keinesfalls gesichertes physikalisches Wissen.




Weiter wurde im G&M-Paper nicht erörtert, ob durch N-Teilchen Systeme von MBHs mit gravitativer Bindung deren Akkretionsvermögen nicht massiv erhöht würde ...
(Gemäß Stringtheorie und Quantenmechanik kann man solche Gebilde theoretisch nicht ausschließen und deswegen bilden diese Systeme ein gewisses Spielfeld innerhalb der theoretischen Physik.)
Sie erinnern sich sicherlich: Konglomerate umeinander rotierender Mikrokleiner Schwarzer Löcher.


Gänzlich nicht erörtert wurde in der LSAG-Berichterstattung das potentielle Akkretionsvermögen metastabiler Mikro-Schwarz-Löcher entsprechend Casadio-Harms, Plaga, Vilkovisky oder Suranyi-Wijewardhana.

Die LSAG Behauptung zu Handen sicherheitsbeauftragter Regierungen, Parlamente, Richter und der informationvermittelnden Presse betreffs Unbedenklichkeit irdischer (Massen-)Produktion von Mikro-Schwarz-Löchern ist somit nachgewiesenermassen schlicht nicht mehr als eine unzureichend belegte Behauptung.

Es steht also schlicht zu hoffen, es werden am LHC entweder keine Mikro-Schwarz-Löcher erzeugt werden - oder diese zerstrahlen tatsächlich entsprechend Stephen Hawkings Theorem innert Femto-Sekunden; und falls so, dann hoffentlich ohne Materie in Strahlung transformierende Relikte zu hinterlassen.

Zur weitergehenden Literatur empfohlen: Eric Penrose's Metastable LHC black holes ­ Review of Safety

und: unser Brief an den Schweizer Gesamt-Bundesrat.
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-16 | 13:09
Comment from: Alf Pretzell [Visitor]
Sehr geehrter Herr Kannenberg,

bei mir hat sich eine Person gemeldet, die vorgibt, Sie zu sein und eine 6 in der email-Adresse hat. Handelt es sich um ihre Identität?

Die Person wusste bei Erwähnung des Saturnmondes nichts zu antworten, daher frage ich.

Mit freundlichem Gruß Alf Pretzell
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-19 | 02:55
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Sehr geehrter Herr Pretzell,

wir haben uns bereits per email ausgetauscht, d.h. Sie haben - ebenso wie die Herren Professor Rössler, Fasnacht, Penrose und Uebbing - Kenntnis von meiner Mail-Adresse. Ich kommuniziere üblicherweise nur via diese Mail-Adresse und die "61" in der Adresse ist mein Geburtsjahr.

Von einer email über einen Saturnmond indes habe ich keine Kenntnis, vielleicht aber habe ich das auch nur überlesen; ich werde in der Mittagspause deswegen nochmals nachschauen.


Freundliche Grüsse, Ralf Kannenberg
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-19 | 09:00
Comment from: Alf Pretzell [Visitor]
... Hallo Herr Kannenberg,

haben Sie die emails mit Mimas, Mimo, Mimos gefunden?

Ich muss eine Identifizierung vornehmen, Verzeihung!

Alf Pretzell
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-21 | 14:02
Comment from: Alf Pretzell [Visitor]
Ich darf ein wenig zitieren, einmal in obigem Zusammenhang:

"Es steht also schlicht zu hoffen, es werden am LHC entweder keine Mikro-Schwarz-Löcher erzeugt werden - oder diese zerstrahlen tatsächlich entsprechend Stephen Hawkings Theorem innert Femto-Sekunden; und falls so, dann hoffentlich ohne Materie in Strahlung transformierende Relikte zu hinterlassen."

... und dann auch aus dem P.M. Interview mit Otto Rössler und Ralf Landua:

"Besser könnte ich es nicht sagen, ja"

... und darf noch ein drittes Zitat anbringen (hier in diesem blog):

"Andererseits gibt es nebst der seitens CERN tatsächlich umgehend zu erfolgenden Widerlegung des rössler'schen ℜ-Theoremes noch manch andere Gefährdung - einige wurden hier auf dieser Webseite mehrfach angesprochen - andere wurden seitens Wissenschaft gegebenfalls noch gar nie bedacht."

... verweise noch auf meine Argumentation

http://www.achtphasen.net/index.php/plasmaether/2010/04/13/p1639

... und frage mich, wann "etwas geschieht"! Hoffe dabei in dem Sinne, dass einige im CERN und anderswo ein wenig "umdenken".

Danke und mit Gruß Pretzell
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-21 | 14:57
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Sehr geehrter Herr Pretzell,

ich habe Ihnen vorgestern um 13:54:44 Uhr geantwortet. Ich sehe gerade, dass ich Sie versehentlich mit "Herr Fasnacht" angeredet habe, ich bitte diesen Irrtum zu entschuldigen.

Freundliche Grüsse, Ralf Kannenberg
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 11:30
Comment from: achtphasen [Member] Email
???

worum geht es hier?
hier hat vorgestern um um 13:54:44 Uhr niemand niemandem geantwortet.
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 11:39
Comment from: ralfkannenberg [Visitor]
Hallo Herr Fasnacht,

Herr Pretzell hatte nach einer email angefragt und ich hatte ihm vorgestern um 13:54:44 Uhr per email geantwortet, aber in der Anrede versehentlich Ihren Namen anstelle von Herrn Pretzell verwendet.

Freundliche Grüsse, Ralf Kannenberg
PermalinkPermalink 2010-04-22 | 12:27

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